''ரகுநாத்திற்கு'' பாராட்டுக்கள்

இன்று கூகுள் சாட்டில் உரையாடிக்கொண்டிருந்த போது திரு.கோவி கண்ணன் ஒரு அருமையான இணைப்பை வாசிக்க தந்தார். அது நம் தமிழ்மணம் திரட்டும் கேளீர் வழியாக கிடைத்திருக்கிறது.

Is Samskrutha harmful to Kannada??? என்னும் தலைப்பில் மொழி குறித்தான ஒரு ஆழமான உரையாடலை வாசிக்க கிடைத்தது. சமஸ்கிருதத்தை தூக்கிப்பிடித்த ஒரு கன்னடியருக்கு( HIFi) சக கன்னடியரான திரு ரகுநாத் கொடுத்த விளங்கங்களை வாசிக்க இங்கே செல்லுங்கள்.

சமஸ்கிருதத்தை உயர்வினைச் சொல்லவும் அதே சமயம் கன்னட மொழியின் வளர்ச்சிக்கு பாடுபடுவதாகவும் காண்பித்துக் கொள்ளும் பிரதிநிதியின் அனைத்து போர்யுக்திகளையும் அவை முறியடிக்கப்படும் கருத்து செறிவுள்ள உரையாடலை இங்கு காணலாம்.

அவர்கள் உரையாடலில் சில...
HiFi:
Kannada's "Bittu bidu" becomes "vuttudu" in Tamil! This is how they have simplified their language! Now you can tell Tamil is greater than Kannada! Because "Bittu bidu" has four letters (two words) and "Vuttudu" has three letters (single word!) Is it? Now you can get the clue from this one simple example that "Tamil" might have been derived from "Kannada" only! According to some scientific analogy, you may conclude that a word like "Bittu bidu" can transfer into "vuttudu" (through constant speaking for generations and also simplification process).
So whatever outsiders yell about India's history, is bullshit, and they are always biased about "Caste System" and "Sanskrit", and they want to use it as a weapon to discriminate and thus dismantle Indians.

Raghunath:
vuttudu is a ntaive tamil word.kannada words unwent change from v->b in late 10th century.It would be wrong to say that they have simplified like this.
What ever insiders tell is also not truth.No i don't believe in aryan invasion theory,but the language family theory is a very much proved.Its proved fact that sanskrit and kannada belongs to a complete different language families.

HiFi
These are some of the "Samskrutha" words that are available in "Kannada":

Prakruthi
Sambandha
Prema
Sathkaara
Santhosha
Sukha
Samyama
Kaanthi
Naveena

etc, etc.

Now do you feel "Kannada" can sustain the exit of all such words? Do you want "Kannada" to become another "Tamil"?

Raghunath:
Again assumptions....

When did i say that tamil actually deserves classical status?This is your assumption.When did you analyse tamil words to say that they are very unscientific and illogical? Again guessing... I have not accepted their complete removal of sanskrit words.They have a huge problem in their writting system,even they have a scope for improvemnet where askannada has a scope for simplification.

I think you understand what i meant in last sentence.

HiFi:
Any human being surviving on earth should have seen "Sun" right from their beginning. (Without "Solar Energy", any living species can't survive! Also even the early-man would have seen "Sun" daily! If Kannada & Kannadigas are even as old as "early man", then they should definitely have a word for "Sun") Right? Now tell me what is the "pure" Kannada word for "Sun"? (Soorya, Ravi, Adhithya... anything else?) Also, more importantly tell me the "pure" Tamil word for Sun, to clarify our doubts exactly! (probably they might have created a new pure Tamil word for it in the 16th century! Who knows!)

Raghunath:
ha ha ha....

Surya - nesara
chandra - tingaLu
vaayu - gALi
manushya- ALu(refer any linguist if you have doubt on this word)
shrungaara - samantha
uccharanne - uli
Akaasha - mugilu


HiFi:
And don't give that rubbish example of Tamil. They are one scrap set of people on earth! I don't think their intention behind chopping Samskrutha words was anything to do with "improving" their language. It was only some crap "caste" issue and also some administrative issue. In that way they wanted to feel superior over some sect of people. A proper linguist will prove that the chopping of Samskrutha words from Tamil and finding ragged alternatives for the same, was totally "illogical" & "unscientific".

Raghunath,

One thing that I want to convey you… With all these issues, I’m only trying to prove that “Kannada” has a history of at least 5,000 years (if not more), and also that “Kannada” had the potential to grow much stronger than what it is today! And also that “Kannada” did not born after “Sanskrit”, but still “Sanskrit” was older than Kannada and it influenced Kannada under unavoidable circumstances! How?

But before that I need to know your inputs about “religion”. I’m really interested at that… We will take up about “technicalities” later…

Raghunath:
HiFi,

As usual same sarcastic bullshit.Neenu tipparalaga hakkadru kannada 5000 varsha haLeyadhu antha torisokke agolla.

Instead of such bullshits,why don't you argue on some logical stand.

Firstly without knowing much about history of Classical music you write lengthy post about it which are plain bullshit.

when questioned you try to divert the question.

Secondly you write sanskrit's usage in technology aspects,which again are just plain imaginations by few sanskrit scholars(forget Outside world scholars) which is not even a approved analogy.

Again when asked about it,no replies.

HiFi,I will come to your favourite religion Issue itself.

Let me ask you one question,Please refer any history books and try to list the dominating religion-time map wrt kannadigas.

Let me know how much you have understood the growth path of Hinduism in karnataka and also relation of kannada with hinduism.

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Hifi பதில் சொல்ல திணறிய பொழுது உதிர்த்த ஒரு தன்னிலை விளக்கம் மட்டும் டிஸ்கியாக
//FYI, I'm not any Brahmana or other so-called high-caste person! Before you instigate any such thing, I want to make it clear (Because you are the only person here who aggressively talked about "caste" issues and felt proud of your caste and opened topics on that) So my this thread has nothing to do with "caste-related" issues. Coming from an inferior-caste (inferior to your so-called "caste"), I should actually have become a Cosmo OR Brahmin/Samskruth/Indian Culture hating person.

So my this argument is purely based on "technical" basis...//


பாராட்டுக்கள் திரு.ரகுநாத்.


பி.கு: ரகுநாத்தின் மொத்த உரையாடலில் சில இடங்களில் எனக்கு கருத்து வேறுபாடு உள்ளது என்பதையும் குறிப்பிட விரும்புகிறேன்
நன்றி:
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ரவிசங்கர் said...

முத்துக்குமரன், இதில் பாராட்டும் அளவுக்கு ஒன்றும் இருப்பதாகத் தெரியவில்லை. கன்னடத்தில் உள்ள தேவை அற்ற வடமொழிச் சொற்களைக் களைவதற்குத் தனித்தமிழ் இயக்கத்தை ஒரு எடுத்துக்காட்டாக கூறி இருக்கிறார். மற்றபடி, தமிழின் தொன்மை, செம்மொழித் தன்மை குறித்த மதிப்பீடுகளை அவர் புறக்கணிப்பதாகத் தான் முழு உரையாடலைப் படித்துப் பார்க்கையில் தெரிகிறது. ஒரு வேளை உரையாடல் நிகழ்வது முழுக்க கன்னடர் சூழலாக இருப்பது காரணமாக இருக்கும்.

வற்றாயிருப்பு சுந்தர் said...

//Kannada's "Bittu bidu" becomes "vuttudu" in Tamil//

Wrong! He seems to be confused and unaware of the differences between colloquial version of tamil and the pure written version of it. Tamilians write 'Vittu Vidu' and use 'vittudu' or 'vuttudu' (depends on the region) while talking. Vittu Vidu is an equivalent of Bittu Bidu. Similarly there are many such words in Kannada starting with a B which start with a V in Tamil - like Bandi (It's not Gaadi as it's used in B'lore!!! that's Hindi) and Vandi 'Baa' 'Vaa', etc.

HiFi seems to be hating the 'classical status' of Tamil.

Anyway it's an interesting discussion!

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